Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money with Ken Honda

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Discover the intersection between authenticity, self-worth, and entrepreneurial success with practical guidance from Japan’s Best-Selling Zen Millionaire, Ken Honda.

“Thank your money when it comes in and thank it when it goes out. Embrace the flow with gratitude.”


 – Ken Honda, bestselling self-development author, former owner of multiple businesses, and today’s guest on Quantum Revolution

Embark on a journey of self-discovery and financial empowerment with Karen Curry Parker and Ken Honda as they walk into the transformative path of finding a balance between financial success and personal fulfillment. Ken’s unique blend of Eastern wisdom and practical financial advice provides a refreshing perspective on achieving happiness and prosperity. By emphasizing the importance of authenticity and gratitude, Ken guides listeners toward a deeper understanding of their relationship with money and self-worth. Through engaging stories and practical advice, listeners are inspired to redefine their relationship with money, embrace their intrinsic value, and create a life of abundance and happiness.

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[0:00] Introduction to this episode, “Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money with Ken Honda,” with Karen Curry Parker.

[3:48] How money pulls the best and worst emotions from you.

[5:20] What is “Happy Money”?

[8:07] How money touches our survival instincts.

[10:26] Can you buy happiness?

[15:09] Money IQ.

[17:04] Karen on her observations of the connections between money intelligence and trauma.

[23:37] Learning to receive money without guilt for the beautiful work you do.

[26:39] Being authentic as an entrepreneur.

[30:15] Saving, spending, and how both connect to life being fun.

[34:58] Karen being a saver and final thoughts from Ken Honda.

[41:36] Outro to this episode, “Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money with Ken Honda,” with Karen Curry Parker.


[Introduction to this episode, “Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money with Ken Honda”, with Karen Curry Parker]

Karen Curry Parker: Today’s episode of Quantum Revolution touches on a topic that can be challenging for many of my listeners, especially for those of you in service-based professions. I’ve coached business owners and entrepreneurs for almost 20 years. I started my “Business by Design” coaching program in 2005. In the personal growth and self-help industry, money is a supercharged concept riddled with conundrums and even conflicting desires.

Karen Curry Parker: As people who are inspired to heal and care for others for a living, we often feel shame, embarrassment, or at least discomfort with charging money. We don’t talk about money. We have to pretend like we don’t want or like money, that somehow money is inherently bad or shameful to have or want. In the research that I’ve done with my students, 68 percent of my students want to build successful businesses and work full time doing good work in the world, such as being coaches or healers, but less than 10 percent of these same students don’t want to learn about marketing, selling, running a business, or managing money.

Karen Curry Parker: Many of my students are more comfortable bartering or undervaluing their services than they are with receiving enough money to sustain themselves so they can stay in business, doing good work in the world. There is something deep in our programming that disallows us to embrace and use money with joy.

Karen Curry Parker: Until we rewrite this program, we run the risk of getting trapped in limiting cycles of lack. And without realizing it, according to my guest today, we may actually be repelling money. In today’s Quantum Revolution episode, we’re talking to Ken Honda, the Japanese Zen millionaire and author of the book, Happy Money.

Karen Curry Parker: Ken asserts that it is possible for anyone, no matter their current financial status, to live with more ease in their relationship to money. But to do this, we have to first learn how to let money bring us joy, and most importantly, to learn how to genuinely receive and allow money into our lives.

[Introduction to the Quantum Revolution Podcast]

Intro: You’re listening to Quantum Revolution with Karen Curry Parker, exploring new frontiers in consciousness, science, and evolution. Join us in intimate conversations with cutting edge scientists, spiritual leaders, artists, disruptors, and visionaries who are working towards reframing the narrative of our future by healing the rift between spirituality and science, reclaiming creativity, and laying the foundation for a new world.

And now, here’s your host, Karen Curry Parker.

[Interview dialogue with Karen Curry Parker and Ken Honda]

Karen Curry Parker: Welcome to Quantum Revolution. I am Karen Curry Parker, and we are here today with Ken Honda talking about his book, happy money, which I have to say, Ken, um, when I saw the title, I thought, well, that’s kind of an oxymoron, isn’t it? So, um, so I want to know, I have a, I have some really big questions that I want to pursue.

Karen Curry Parker: And the big question that I want to pursue before we even start, start talking about happy money is. Money is a very super charged idea, and it is an idea that I think a lot of people think is a source of problem in the world. Why do you think, or why don’t you think, money is potentially such a big problem on the planet?

Ken Honda: Yeah, before I begin, I, Karen, I just want to thank you for inviting me. This means a lot to me to be able to share what I know about money. So money, um, pulls the best and the worst emotions from you. For example, uh, uh, you feel so happy when you got some kind of money or a bonus or raise, and you, you were so upset when you found out that you lost some money.

Ken Honda: Or your, your partner or somebody, your kids, uh, wasted money. You, you get so mad. And so we, um, get emotionally disturbed over money. So that’s why I think, uh, money is such an emotionally charged, uh, uh, energy. Uh, in our life and then a lot of crimes, uh, happen because of money and also we fight over money when our parents die, like who takes what, you know, I took care of mom, you know, for the last six months you didn’t and so I, here you are, I think I should deserve, you know, I deserve something more so like we, uh, just feeling so much, uh, uh, guilt, shame, uh, Frustration around money when we pay bills, when we get a new money coming in, we just sigh, we feel so small, squeezed.

Ken Honda: That’s how we, that’s how we live.

Karen Curry Parker: So, so I, I’ve, that doesn’t sound happy to me. . So,

Ken Honda: Well, true.

Karen Curry Parker: so what, what is happy money?

Ken Honda: So happy money on the, uh, to the contrary to unhappy money makes you smile when you receive it. Like I always talk about, uh, grand your grandparents send you a happy, my happy, happy birthday card in it. It’s it’s 10 in it. in the envelope and your grandma says buy whatever you want for your birthday and you smile like grandma you know you can’t buy so many things with only ten dollars and then uh it’s not just the money but it’s a thought and the love and the generosity from your parents just touch your heart That is happy money.

Ken Honda: And when you pay bills, uh, you’re so happy at the cashier or a restaurant or server. Wow, that was a good food. That was the best service. Like, you’re good. You knew so much about the wine and your selection was beautiful. And then you pay joyfully. That is happy money. So, uh, if you just receive money with gratitude, and pay money with gratitude, that is happy money.

Ken Honda: So if you can do that, you’re a happy person. But unfortunately, most of us feel squeezed, complain about money we’re receiving, we’re paying. So when we complain about money, that becomes unhappy money. So we have to really watch out our language, and watch our attitude and relationship with money.

Karen Curry Parker: So, when you talk about moving, I mean, we have this collective narrative, and I think it’s, I think it’s a pretty serious narrative. I, I, I think if you open up the news, if you look at, uh, you know, a newspaper, you listen to podcasts or radio. Nobody’s talking about money is so amazing. It’s so great. We love it.

Karen Curry Parker: We can use it. It makes us happy. People are looking at, um, and you talk about this, they’re looking at the world and finances oftentimes through a deep lens of scarcity right there. And I’ll say here, I don’t know how it is where you are in Japan, but I will say here, there’s a lot of people who are literally preparing for a massive financial collapse, even, you know, I, I hang around with a lot of entrepreneurs who Are always saying, what do you do when the market collapses?

Karen Curry Parker: What do you do? How do you prepare for, you know, a shift in change and a crisis in the financial institutions that doesn’t feel happy to me. How do we go first of all, how did that idea, that darkness around money, that unhappiness around money, what’s the source of that. And how do we begin maybe personally and collectively beginning to rewrite that story so that we’re talking about happy money,

Ken Honda: Thank you, Karen. You were just asking deep questions. I don’t know if I can answer in just five minutes, but

Karen Curry Parker: you have all the time you need.

Ken Honda: you know, the reason why we just associate money with dark energy is that money touches our survival. Uh, you know, like 500 years ago, when everybody was a farmer, we grew our own food and then we’re happy and, and, but, um, after the, uh, industrial revolution, a lot of people move into the city and in the city, you have to, you have to, uh, pay for the rent or the, the house or the apartment, you have to pay for the food, pay for the water, pay for the, you know, electricity and all that.

Ken Honda: So. Uh, in our, in our mind, no money, no life will be thrown out on the street, and then we die, you know, so like when, uh, when we have less money, when we feel like we run, run, run out of money in the future, you know, like it’s a survival mechanism. And the other thing is greed. You know, um, even though some people have enough money, say like 2 million or 5 million, they don’t have to make more money any, any more.

Ken Honda: But the trading side, they want to multiply their money. If they have 10 million, they want 15 million. If they have. 100 million. They want 200 million. So this greed will just expand their business and destroy all the environments. But, uh, as a humankind, we’ve been driven by this greed. That’s why we invade other countries.

Ken Honda: That’s why we try to do overdue business, you know, even though we don’t need that much money. So this greed and survival mechanism, uh, are just disturbing people. So for a financially challenging, uh, situation, um, I think people are worried with, about money because of survival reasons. And people who have more than enough.

Ken Honda: They can be happy. If they’re not happy, they’re just driven by greed to want more, make more.

Karen Curry Parker: You talk about in your book that there’s sort of a set point, like a, uh, a setting on a happiness thermostat with money, if you will. And you said in American dollars, that set point is about 75, 000. Tell me a little bit about that. Mm

Ken Honda: You know, um, people ask me, you know, people try to challenge me

Ken Honda: again.

Karen Curry Parker: hmm.

Ken Honda: Can you buy happiness? You know, I’d say you cannot buy happiness. But you can ease your discomfort level in your life. You know, if you have a little money, you can have a roof over, you know, overhead. And if you have little money, you can pay for the hot running water.

Ken Honda: You know, in North America, it’s pretty standard, but in other countries, it’s not running water could be just a press thing, right? And if you have, uh, some, uh, some space and, uh, uh, heat, uh, and electricity, uh, and enough food on the table. You’re fine. But if you have, uh, if you want to have a comfortable life or like a safe neighborhood and a nice food, you know, it doesn’t have to be organic, but like nice, natural, healthy food,

Ken Honda: you probably need a certain income.

Ken Honda: To sustain your family, if your kids want to learn something, they probably need, uh, um, iPhones or, um, not necessarily the, the newest model, but they need, uh, iPads and computers and, uh, higher education, everything costs money. So I think in big cities, you need at least 70, 000 and if you’re living in a countryside, maybe if you have 30, 40, 000, you know, it may not be so expensive, but you need some money to stay comfortable.

Ken Honda: At least to avoid, uh, discomfort and if you want to have some luxury, like say, you know, these days a lot of my, uh, American friends are visiting Japan and Kyoto and they, they, they say like, Ken, I, I never thought that trip was like life changing. So if you have, want to have, uh, a little bit of luxury, You know, going overseas, you need extra more money.

Ken Honda: So it depends on how much you want out of life. Uh, the, the minimum will be, you know, just increasing.

Karen Curry Parker: So, at the age of 20 ish, you decided, I’m gonna be wealthy by the time I get married and have a child so that I can stay home and be with my child. What, what did you do in that decade that got you to that place where you were like, I have enough, I am enough, I’ve got what I need? How did you, how did you create that process?

Ken Honda: So I started my business when I was 21. And then I became a consultant. Uh, it was very good at marketing, which I applied, uh, marketing skills to my book, uh, promotion, you know, 10 years later, uh, I sold, uh, not almost 9 million copies on my books. Um, because I, I was very good at word of mouth marketing. So with that skills, uh, in my hands, I helped many companies grow.

Ken Honda: So I got paid according to, uh, the gross of their sales. So it was more about like a business owner type of income. And also I am an investor early on. So, uh, I’m doing consultant business, uh, based on, uh, incentives and also, uh, being a great investor. I was at the right time. And then, uh, I could retire at the age 29, which made me, uh, which get, gave me enough time to think about life.

Ken Honda: So it took me three years to figure out what I want, what I wanted. So about three years into semi retirement, I got this crazy inspiration to write I was just laughing at myself. What is this crazy idea? I was just a boring accountant and you know, I, I have no skills. I have never written anything longer than like 20 pages in my life.

Ken Honda: You know, just besides school essays and stuff, but I just, this, uh, couldn’t resist on this inspiration to write. So I started writing, uh, two, three pages. Uh, essay on happiness and money, and then that got, uh, extended to 10 pages, 20 pages. And I ended up writing 26 page of, of a small booklet. And then I printed them and, uh, by word of mouth.

Ken Honda: It got spread out so fast and I kept on giving away my booklets and by the time I gave away 100, 000 copies a publisher told me and then the rest is history and it was 22 years ago I’ve written I’ve published more than 200 books and sold almost 9 million copies.

Karen Curry Parker: you sound like, in this journey, like you must have had at the beginning, money IQ. Because you talk about in your book, money IQ and money EQ. Talk to us a little bit about what is money IQ and EQ and, and how do you get some?

Ken Honda: Yeah, money IQ is, uh, money intelligence, financial intelligence that, that Robert Kiyosaki and others like Sue Zolman are telling, you know, but, uh, what they’re telling is, uh, totally different, like financial IQ for wealthy, financial IQ for ordinary, financial, uh, IQ for, uh, financially challenging situation people.

Ken Honda: So, um, money IQ is very different. But you need to develop that. My father was a successful tax accountant, so he started teaching me about money since I was five or six. That’s why I could become financially independent in my twenties. And, uh, money EQ, on the other hand, it’s, it’s, uh, money emotional intelligence, and money emotional intelligence is, um, something, uh, that how healthy you are, uh, emotionally with your money.

Ken Honda: I realized in my early 20s, uh, most successful financially savvy, high money IQ people lost everything because of the burst of the bubble economy, which could happen anytime in North America. You know, so you will probably witness, as I witnessed in my 20s, a lot of smart people ended up losing everything because of, uh, emotional mistakes.

Ken Honda: So even though you have high IQ, if your money EQ is low, you could end up losing all. So you have to have a higher money emotional intelligence, uh, uh, emotional intelligence as well. Emotional intelligence is a base. So if you have a strong foundation of emotional intelligence and with a financial IQ, you can build a financial fortress.

Ken Honda: But if you have only financial IQ, uh, it’s pretty risky because, uh, you try to make more money, leverage, and then you leverage too much. And that as a result, you end up losing everything.

Karen Curry Parker: if you do not have money EQ, how do you start growing it? How do you start learning those resilient skills to be able to become more emotionally brilliant around money? And I want to preface this, I want to share something with you because I think this is, um, part of why I wanted to have you on the show is I teach a process of integrated healing called quantum alignment system.

Karen Curry Parker: And we, every year we offer, it’s a nine hour long process. We do it over nine weeks and every year we do, uh, a, a sliding scale event, uh, around a specific topic using this system. And about maybe six years ago, we said, why don’t we do a series of quantum alignment system treatments for people around money, and we’ll specifically target the theme of money and because, you know, what we saw was really astonishing because we started working with people and what we found when we worked with people who were struggling with money is that there was a direct correlation between struggling with money.

Karen Curry Parker: And deep trauma, trauma that didn’t have anything to do with money necessarily. It was trauma in the family, traumatic events. And, and that relationship, you know, we, we decided at that point, we got so overwhelmed with working with people because we ended up having about 800 people on the calls. And we said, we can’t, we can’t, it’s just too much trauma and to, to ever do this again.

Karen Curry Parker: But I, it really stuck with me. And I think it’s really notable that the real, there’s a correlation between Trauma, and I would say, and emotional intelligence, and then, of course, money intelligence. So how do you start the process of healing that, and maybe growing, learning, money, money intelligence, not money intelligence, money, emotional intelligence?

Ken Honda: Yeah. So thank you. So, but by the way, your, your work is amazing and I’ve listened to a few episodes and, and also you’re a great interviewer too. So I really appreciate you carrying your intelligence and a generous heart. You know, that’s why I think people are attracted to you.

Karen Curry Parker: Thank you.

Ken Honda: First step, uh, the first step is, uh, to realize what kind of emotions you have around money. So what is, uh, there will be like four or five major ones. There could be guilt, you know, uh, a lot of people feel guilt around money when they, when they receive money. A lot of people feel shame. I don’t have much. I have just very little. Or even though the money comes in, it just disappears so fast, you know, without me knowing.

Ken Honda: So, um, and also frustration. When you try to, uh, you know, hold on to the money, but somehow money slips away. So, and also there’s anger, like, why do I get little? Where others are making millions of, and so this sense of unfairness and anger, resentment, just realize what kind of emotions you put out onto money.

Ken Honda: And, you know, from money’s perspective, I think money is crying. Like, oh, I couldn’t do it, you know. It’s you who gets upset, but nothing to do with me. So just release money. innocent being because just put all the, you know, bad thing to the money, but money didn’t do anything. It’s how we felt around money.

Karen Curry Parker: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ken Honda: these negative feelings are in you because some people feel so joyful, so peaceful around money at the same time. So it’s, it’s a, what you see, if you, what you see is full of negative things, it’s because it’s on your glasses, you know, So you have to start wiping out your glasses and also figure out what happened to you Because you have this negative police around money What happened to you many years ago, when you were children, when you were a small child?

Ken Honda: What did your parents do? Or what didn’t they do? You know, just, uh, for me, for example, I didn’t get a mountain bike when I was 70 years old, and then I was so upset with Santa, because, you know, uh, I, I thought he got mixed up with the order. You know, I wanted to have a certain mountain bike, but the one I got is for kids bike.

Ken Honda: You know, I was so Insulted. And then, uh, I realized that the Santa Claus, there are two things, Santa Claus doesn’t deliver birthday gifts and the other one is he didn’t mix up, you know, so, uh, I was upset. So, but later on, that kind of trauma these out. Uh, on surfaces when we want to start a business, for example, okay, I’m going to go on my business and then inside us, our disbelief around ourself, you cannot do it.

Ken Honda: It didn’t get a mountain bike. You didn’t get what you wanted. So, uh, even if you start out a new venture, you’re going to fail. Just remember seven years old and then, okay, maybe I’m afraid I should not do it now. So unless you clear out the money trauma, um, you cannot be freely.

Karen Curry Parker: I, yeah, I agree. I definitely agree. And I think sometimes getting underneath those, those trauma stories and looking particularly in business at how the shop that’s, that’s an important part of making sure you’re showing up all the way for the business and the service that you give through the business.

Karen Curry Parker: I, I find that, um, There’s an interesting incongruency. I coach a lot of people in service based businesses. And I think, again, I’m not sure how this is culturally in other cultures, but I know that in America, there’s almost, I don’t want to say shame, but it’s like service based businesses traditionally are not valued in our culture.

Karen Curry Parker: So if you look at say, teaching or nursing, some of these professions that are traditionally associated, oftentimes with women, they’re also, I think. Undervalued in our culture. And when I coach service based professionals, even coaches, trainers, consultants, they’ll often say things like, well, I want money.

Karen Curry Parker: I want money, and I want to have a good business, um, and it’s important that I focus on the service and do the things that I want to do to serve, but I don’t want to look at money, and I don’t want to charge people money, and I don’t want to, I don’t want to show people what I have. I don’t want to talk about the price.

Karen Curry Parker: What would you say to people with that mindset?

Ken Honda: You know, if you just have some guilt around money, it’s okay. Uh, but you can find another life, you know, by releasing guilt. You have no guilt around money. You receive what is offered. You know, I, I teach money EQ. The first principle is receive. You know, um, uh, you have to, you can receive what life offers to you.

Ken Honda: And, uh, a lot of people say no to the gift that’s offered to you. So, you have a choice of receiving the gift or just rejecting the gift, uh, in this case, money. So, just imagine what money, uh, extra money you receive can do. Like say you can learn, uh, new things. You can take new courses, which cost money usually, so by receiving the money that is offered to you or by charging people more, uh, instead of just fee, a feeling that you charge people, you receive more.

Ken Honda: So you can say, uh, my session will be a hundred dollars or more, or, uh, or like whatever you want to offer is fine. So if you’re totally. Uh, uh, vulnerable and surrender and receive well, uh, you, and, and do it out of guilt and sacrifice, you, you end up receiving a lot more. So by receiving more, you can give more.

Ken Honda: So that’s how I feel. I don’t need to get compensated for money. So 85 percent of what I do, I do it pro bono, you know, I don’t get paid. Uh, because I have a system set up, you know, I get paid very well. So if you have a system set up and Receive money as well as um, you can give the money circulates happy money circulates.

Ken Honda: Well, so, um At the beginning level just imagine what an extra money you’re going to receive can do for you and other people So don’t think uh as selfish act just receive the money not only for you You But the sake of other people that you’re going to help, you can help people better after taking new courses and after just, uh, uh, uh, satisfying your life.

Karen Curry Parker: I, I want, I want to take what you just said and feed it into a microphone and just, or a megaphone and broadcast it out to all of my students. That’s perfect. So thank you for that. So one of the other things that I see come up with my students a lot when we, again, when we go into business, it’s almost like when we go into business, it’s like a whole different personality.

Karen Curry Parker: And there’s this fear, I think, that we have about sharing our offerings, sharing business and being authentic. And a belief I think that sort of says, I’d love to be who I am in the world. I’d love to do, you know, be honest about what I do and talk about what I do, but that won’t sell in our world. So I have to compromise on who I am, who I am and what I do.

Karen Curry Parker: What would you say to the young entrepreneur who’s saying, well, nobody really wants what I have. So I have to. I have to change my message. I have to not be authentic in the marketplace.

Ken Honda: so that’s what I struggled four years ago when I started writing in English.

Karen Curry Parker: Mm,

Ken Honda: I have to change myself so people would understand me. You know, my teaching is very Japanese, is at least what I thought. And then I have to change myself in order to be accepted internationally. And the fear is that unless I change myself in a way that people understand, nobody is going to pick up my ball.

Ken Honda: And then I realized, wait a minute, maybe people only resonate with me, whoever thinks like me. Instead of just making my, just, I change myself in a way that people love me, I just You know, stay as I, as I am, and then see how many people will resonate. And so I sold about 300, 000 copies of the book.

Karen Curry Parker: Wow.

Ken Honda: And with all my, all my Japanese books, I sold almost 9 million copies, which means 9 million people, you know, resonated with me.

Ken Honda: My podcast hit 52 million downloads, you know, uh, last, uh, as of the end of, uh, last year. So, like, almost half the population of Japan resonated with me. It’s just, uh, I didn’t try to change who I am and how I look. It’s just I stay true to myself. So it’s, uh, I use this analogy, you know, like, uh, you put up a smoke signal, like fireworks, and then whoever sees that smoke signal will come to you.

Ken Honda: So, uh, just to put up a signal, uh, smoke so your, your tribe will find you from far away. That’s how I feel, you know, Karen, you found me

Ken Honda: middle of nowhere, right? From middle of nowhere.

Karen Curry Parker: Well, you’re kind of popular. Just saying.

Ken Honda: You found me, but I’m here in Japan. I didn’t just knock on your door. Karen, can you just invite me to my podcast, right? I don’t know how popular I am, but you know, you found me. That’s how I feel. And you saw my smoke signal in, in a form of YouTube videos with other people’s interview.

Ken Honda: I have no idea, but I’m physically here in Japan and just alone.

Ken Honda: I mean, right now, uh, this time it’s 8, 8 30 in the morning, so I’m alone. I’m alone in my office. So, But my smoke signal shut up about four years ago, and people started seeing me.

Karen Curry Parker: Mm hmm.

Ken Honda: You just put up your own smoke signal in your unique way. Your tribe can recognize that, and they will just find you.

Karen Curry Parker: I love that because I think, you know, I, of course I feel like I’m a mom teacher with my students. I feel like I’m their mom, right? And I, I just see them and I’m so excited and I see them step into their power and I see them step into their authenticity and I’m like, don’t hide that anymore and get it out there.

Karen Curry Parker: there. It’s the world needs it. So I, so I have, I have two more questions for you. And then I want to talk a little bit about your new book coming up. Um, and I want to share with people some of the resources that you have on your webpage, cause you’ve got some great reasons for people. So talk to me about savings and save and why should people save or why should people not save or tell me what you think about and believe about saving?

Ken Honda: You know, a lot of people ask me about saving, you know, uh, from what perspective is my question. There are many different money personality types. There are money makers, there are spenders, there are savers, there are warriors, there are gamblers, and uh, um, anybody is okay. But people who love saving, they should start spending because life is about fun.

Ken Honda: And if you’re a spender, if you think you’re a spender, You know, who love, uh, enjoy partying and just who have a missing, uh, fear of missing out, you should start saving. So for those of you, I think there are more, uh, uh, spenders in North America. So for those of you who think, Oh, I’m a spender, you know, I waste a lot of money.

Ken Honda: I have a mantra for you. So when you go out, uh, to a shopping mall or like a look at Amazon and, and then If you want to buy something, just check this mantra before you click the button or just flash out your credit card. If I don’t buy this now, am I going to die tomorrow? If I don’t

Karen Curry Parker: oops,

Karen Curry Parker: ha

Ken Honda: now, am I going to die tomorrow?

Ken Honda: 99 percent of the time, you’re not going to die tomorrow. Even if you don’t buy the newest iPhone, the new clothes, the shoes and bags and accessories and whatever that is. It, uh, Until you have enough savings stored up, so you don’t have to worry about money. Don’t waste your money. There are only two problems with money.

Ken Honda: You’re making too little or spending too much. For a lot of people who worry about money, uh, they spend too much. So save up enough money so at least you don’t have to worry about paying the bills.

Karen Curry Parker: mm hmm, mm

Ken Honda: And unfortunately, a lot of North American people are, uh, one or two checks away from bankruptcy. That means you don’t have enough saved up.

Ken Honda: So just, uh, you can spend as much money you want if you have more money. But save up enough, like, uh, uh, uh, one month’s expense, uh, ideally, you Two months, three months, six months, and you can, uh, achieve financial independence sometime in your life, but save up enough. And if you’re a saver and just, you have more than enough, you should start say, uh, spending money for fun.

Ken Honda: So for different people, different prescription.

Karen Curry Parker: Mm. Mm hmm. So what would you say for someone who is maybe in between, and they’re trying to find that balance, and maybe, I don’t know, how do you start spending money for fun if you’re so entrained to be worried or feel guilty or shamed about money?

Ken Honda: Yeah.

Karen Curry Parker: do that?

Ken Honda: That’s what I teach about money EQ, you know, for, um, high achievers, uh, I give, uh, funny homework. Uh, the other day, an entrepreneur who is making a lot of money. Uh, he says, uh, I have so much guilt around spending money. Can, can you heal the pain? Okay, I’ll give you a practical homework. Uh, withdraw 1, 000, you know, and then waste your money on something that you’re, that’s not gonna come back to you.

Ken Honda: Like, if you take courses, if you just buy some clothes, that’s shopping. So, waste your money. And, and then I released him. After about a month, uh, he came back and he said he could do with only 100. He couldn’t do 900. It’s, it’s a crime for him to waste money. But for spender people, can, piece of cake. You know, they can spend money in a matter of minutes, you know.

Ken Honda: So, it’s interesting how people just deal with guilt. And, uh, shame. So it takes time because you built up, uh, spending 36 years or 46 years of your life, you cannot heal in two minutes. So it takes time to, uh, see what’s on your, uh, what’s on the plate. And then you have to just start figuring out, Oh, what is this guilt come from?

Ken Honda: What is this shame? What is this anger? What is this resentment? And then every, uh, little thing has, uh, attached to, uh, your past. And I think, uh, you know, they should take you really Karen’s courses on healing the traumas because, uh, healing the traumas have really the keys to, uh, erase emotional, uh, ties with money, and then, uh, it frees you.

Karen Curry Parker: Yeah, I agree. And, and I would say, I just learned, I just learned something about myself because I thought I was a spender. And then when you told me to waste a thousand dollars, I was like, nope, no way. So maybe I’m not a spender.

Karen Curry Parker: I was like, I don’t know.

Ken Honda: you are a strict saver, so you’re strict on

Karen Curry Parker: I think no one would say that about me because I, I have a lot of kids, but, um, but I think, that it’s interesting. And I, you know, I encourage everybody listening to, to tune in, as you said, can, when you’re encountering money or you’re out in the world feeling money, I mean, I say feeling it because really pay attention to how it doesn’t make you feel, how does it make you feel when, so my parents, My parents are in their eighties and they’re, they’re, they’re so dear.

Karen Curry Parker: Like I come to visit them and when I leave, they’re still like pressing money into my hand. Like use this for gas, right? You know, that, that, that, that, that feeling of having my elderly parents give me money. I feel that in my gut, right? It’s has a very big emotional charge still. And I really want to encourage everyone to pay attention to where those charges are, because those emotional charges.

Karen Curry Parker: Are oftentimes part of your money story, right? And that, and of course, as you, you just pointed out that money story is part of your, you know, it’s your money EQ and it’s influencing where is your baseline set for what you’re willing to, as you point out so beautifully, what are you willing to allow yourself to receive?

Karen Curry Parker: Where are you open to being gracious in that receptivity or are you not? Because I do, I do find that oftentimes it’s the receptivity that’s the biggest issue, not the making the money, but allowing yourself to receive it without shame and guilt. So. I want to just point everybody, Ken, to your website. Of course, your website is kenhonda.

Karen Curry Parker: com and we’ll post below the links to all of Ken’s resources. Um, but you have a, a community, the Arigato living community and, uh, on your website, which I downloaded this today, you’ve got a, Beautiful. It’s like a 55 page eight step guide to happiness and prosperity, which is just phenomenal. I really, really, I enjoyed going through that so much today.

Karen Curry Parker: So make sure you all go grab a copy of that. That’s going to give you some amazing exercises and contemplations, really beautiful contemplations. Of course, your book as well. Happy money also has. Really great contemplation. So my husband is a, I joke, he’s a very normal person and I love him cause I really need to have a normal person in my life he’s always thumbing through the books for my podcast guests.

Karen Curry Parker: And I had this out in the kitchen and he started reading it. He said, this is a really good book. It’s really different. So I’m just telling you, if my husband sees this and reads this book, happy And he thinks it’s great. He’s like, when you’re done, you got to give it back to me. I’m not done reading it. Um, then, you know, that it’s a good book.

Karen Curry Parker: you are also, I just want to share this cause I, I, I’m always in awe of people who can do this. Um, you are about to publish a novel in May. So tell us a little bit about your novel.

Ken Honda: Thank you for asking. Uh, the title is true wealth. It’s going to come out from Hay House. It’s about a, uh, a grand grandson who receives nine letters from his grandfather, who was super wealthy. But in the letter, uh, grandfather says, I’m so sorry. I donated all the money. For charity. So grandson, you’re not going to get penny from me, but instead I left nine letters for you.

Ken Honda: Go out, enjoy, enjoy life. And in, in the, uh, in the package, there are nine letters from his grandfather. Each letter has a title. The first one is synchronicity. The second one is decision. Third one is action. So each, by each, this 20 year old college student just opens it, something happens, and he gets invited to a new, new city.

Ken Honda: And then he discovers something so important. to their life and he discovers about his grandfather, his father, and mom, and what happened to them. So it’s about a novel, uh, to discover, uh, most important thing in your life. So I hope you enjoy, uh, this novel.

Karen Curry Parker: I, I think it’s going to be beautiful. I’m looking forward to reading it. So again, that’s, uh, true wealth published by Hay House and written by Ken Honda. And again, it’s coming out in May of 2024. So I’m assuming it’s already up for presale on big. Book at book distributors. So any retail book outlet here, go grab yourself, go reserve your copy.

Karen Curry Parker: So, um, you can start reading about how to gain true wealth, how to create true wealth. That’s a beautiful, a beautiful story. So Ken, any last minute things you want to share before we wind up our conversation here today?

Ken Honda: Thank you, Karen. It’s been so much fun. And, uh, for those of you who are, uh, tuned into this, please enjoy money. Please enjoy life. You know, um, sometimes life throws a curveball at you, and it’s not necessarily fun all the time. But what happens to our life, uh, don’t judge it by the wrapping paper. It could look good, but Could look bad but in retrospective a lot of people say the worst thing that happened to your life Turned out to be the best thing later on So, uh, just whatever happens to your life just appreciate it the same thing with money when The next money comes in just say Thank you.

Ken Honda: Thank you to money. Arigato your money. And when the, uh, you know, uh, money leaves you, also thank you for staying with me. Just come back with your friends. Lots of friends. So once you start enjoying the flow of happy money, uh, you can enjoy life more. So don’t be afraid of life. Don’t worry about money. You know, as long as you have friends and others, you’ll be fine.

Ken Honda: So just start living your life 100 percent.

Karen Curry Parker: I love that. Thank you. Thank you, Ken Honda, for joining us. Thank you again for writing this really beautiful book. And, uh, thank you for joining us for Quantum Revolution. Thank you.

Ken Honda: Arigato.

[Outro to this episode, “Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money with Ken Honda”,  with Karen Curry Parker]

Karen Curry Parker: The metrics of value are changing. For more than a hundred years, we’ve cultivated a collective narrative that equates our worth with how much material wealth we have.

Karen Curry Parker: We measure our value in numbers. How many numbers do you have on your bank statement? How many years of college education do you have? How much you paid for your car? The number on your pants or your bra size? But you are so much more than a number and your value is immeasurable. You are inherently valuable simply because you exist. And your existence is so wildly precious that the world is what it is because of your existence.

Karen Curry Parker: Without you, the world we know today would not be the same. Literally. Ken Honda teaches that learning to embrace your value and cultivating the healing and courage necessary to live in alignment with your authentic self, that cosmic event that only you can be, is an essential first step in healing your relationship with money.

Karen Curry Parker: Ken argues just like a happy life starts with happy money, a happy world starts with happy money. If every one of us committed to creating a happy relationship with our money, can you imagine the ripple effects around the world? All of us smiling at our money, smiling at our lives, smiling at our world.

Karen Curry Parker: You can learn more about Ken Honda by visiting Ken’s website, kenhonda.com. While you’re there, make sure you download Ken’s free 8 Step Guide to Happiness and Prosperity. You can purchase Ken’s new book, “True Wealth,” at any major retail bookseller. If you’re ready to reclaim your authentic self and rewrite your story about your money, and your self worth, visit quantumhumandesign.com and download your free Quantum Human Design chart. Your chart will help you learn how you can take back control over the story you tell about who you are, and remember your unique, vital, and irreplaceable role in the cosmic plan. I’m Karen Curry Parker. Thank you for joining me for Quantum Revolution.

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