The Story of Gaia With Dr. Jude Currivan

The Story of Gaia With Dr. Jude Currivan

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“The universe was born, not in an implicitly chaotic big bang, but as the first moment of a fine-tuned and ongoing big breath.”

  • Jude Currivan, today’s guest on Quantum Revolution

We have been conditioned to believe that the Universe began with a big bang – an explosion that initiated chaos, disruption and, ultimately, lined up a series of random, chaotic events that eventually led to the creation of life on Earth.

This assumption forces us to believe that not only is life a serendipitous and random event resulting from the birth of the Universe, we ourselves are simply accidental aspects of this cosmic event.

In her new book, The Story of Gaia, Dr. Currivan shares scientific breakthroughs which detail the 13.8-billion-year story of our universe and Gaia, where everything in existence has inherent meaning and evolutionary purpose. Evolution is not driven by random occurrences and mutations, but by profoundly resonant and harmonic interplays of forces and influences, each intelligently informed and guided. The universe is created from meaningful information, which accumulates to form our reality.

To learn more about Dr. Jude Currivan and her work, please visit

To purchase Dr. Currivan’s latest book, The Story of Gaia, you can find it at all major retailers and on Amazon at

If you’d like to learn how you can take back control over the story you tell about who you are and remember your unique, vital and irreplaceable role in the Cosmic Plan, please visit

Thank you for joining us for Quantum Revolution. 


(00:00-03:00) Introduction and Preamble by Karen Curry Parker

(03:51-06:52) The Universal Alphabet

(06:53–10:01) The Big Bang Theory vs. The Big Breath Theory

(10:02–11:39 ) David Walker and Split Second Timing

(11:40-17:02) An Incredibly Intelligent, Informationally Guided, and Underpinned Journey of Ongoing Emergence.

(17:03-18:46) Karen’s Dog and the Mind of the Cosmos


Intro: You’re listening to Quantum Revolution with Karen Curry Parker. Exploring new frontiers in consciousness science and evolution. Join us in intimate conversations with cutting edge scientists, spiritual leaders, artists, disruptors and visionaries who are working towards reframing the narrative of our future by healing the rift between spirituality and science, reclaiming creativity and laying the foundation for a new.

And now here’s your host, Karen Curry Parker.

Karen Curry Parker: We have been conditioned believe that the universe began with a big bang, an explosion that initiated chaos, disruption, and ultimately lined up a series of random, chaotic events that eventually led to the creation of life on Earth. This assumption forces us to believe that not only is life a serendipitous and random event resulting from the birth of the universe, we ourselves are simply accidental aspects of this cosmic event.

As an accidental cosmic event, the next logical assumption is that we are basically drifting in a random cosmos, artifacts of events over which we have no control, our lives simply a continuation of an accidental story over which we have no influence. And yet when we look at the nature of life, the massive amount of complex organization and synchronicity, that is the story of our individual lives life on earth itself.

It’s hard to believe that we are simply a random event generated from a cosmic explosion billions of years ago. Our guest today is Dr. Jude Currivan, cosmologist, futurist planetary healer, member of the Evolutionary Leader Circle, author the new book, the Story of Gaia. In her new book, Dr. Currivan shares scientific breakthroughs, which detailed the 13.8 billion year story of our universe and Gaia, where everything in existence has inherent meaning and evolutionary purpose.

Showing how the universe was born, not in an implicitly chaotic big bang, but as the first moment of a fine tuned and ongoing big breath. She shares the latest evidence for the innate sentiency that has guided our universal journey from simplicity to ever greater complexity, diversity and self-awareness from protons to planets, plants, and people.

She explains how evolution is not driven by random occurrences and mutations, but by profoundly resonant and harmonic interplays of forces and influences each intelligently. Informed and guided. Join us for this powerful quantum revolution conversation with Dr. Jude Currivan.

Hello and welcome to Quantum Revolution. I am talking today to Dr. Jude Currivan, author of the brand new book, the Story of Gaia. And before we get rolling with what I know is going to be a mind blowing conversation, you’re gonna have a lot of paradigms shattered today. I just wanna say that if you have not had a chance yet to grab Dr.Currivan’s new book, the Story of Gaia. Do make sure that you go get this book. By the end of this interview, you’re gonna want to go back and read and sit and contemplate everything you’re gonna be hearing today. Dr. Currivan so exited to have you here, welcome.

Jude Currivan: Thanks, Karen. It’s wonderful to be with you. So thank you again for the invitation.

Karen Curry Parker: My pleasure. So I’m gonna have to start with our very first…We’ll call it paradigm shift. And I wanna just say your book literally came out today. I grabbed it, I’ve been reading it all morning. Um, so, and I will have to go back and read it much more slowly cuz it’s definitely not a book you can skim. And you know, you started off in the very beginning with an introduction that bridged actually from your previous book, our simply a continuation of wanna start by giving our listeners a little bit of that bridge, because I feel like if we leap into the story of Gaia without at least having that bridge, it’s a lot. And so one of the things you talk about in your introduction is the alphabet, if you will, the alphabet of the universe. Can you explain to us a little bit the alphabet of the universe and how that began to feed into the story that we construct out of that alphabet that constitutes our ancestral lineage as children of Gaia?

Jude Currivan: Great. Karen, I’ll be happy to. Well, to take a step back, what we’re finding now at all scales of existence across many, many different fields of research are the same patterns that are showing us that the appearance of our universe, it’s energy and the matter, and space and time aren’t fundamental. They literally arise from deeper levels of cosmic causation, and they do so in the form of meaningful, not random data, but meaningful, what I call in hyphen formation that literally in forms all that we call our universe.

And the way that this happens is that if we like cosmic mind, the ultimate creator, the ultimate causative intention of our universe does so by taking its innate consciousness and expressing that consciousness as meaningful information. Whereas, for example, the meaningful information of our language, our English language has 26 letters and alphabet, 26 letters.

The universe manages it with two letters and they are ones and zeros digitized in formation. But from that, the simplistic could be, but no simpler, our universe, the appearance of our universe. Is meaningfully informed from its tiniest scales, up to atoms, molecules, stars, planets, plants, and people. So everything that we call our reality is literally meaningful in formation.

Built up, accumulated from those two letters, the ones and zeros of our universal alphabet.

Karen Curry Parker: So already I’m sitting here thinking I need to meditate on that for at least a week. Um. So, so you then go on to talk about how this alphabet, this meaning that then puts the world into formation. Is that a correct way of saying that?

Jude Currivan: beautiful way of saying it.

Karen Curry Parker: So this meaningful information that creates formation begins to feed into then the Story of Gaia.

In the Story of Gaia, as you begin to tell it, you already start by shattering the myth of what so many of us have learned about the world basically starts with a big bang, and all these fragments of random events start smashing into each other and poof, voila, we have the universe, the world, our planet. Talk to me about your version of the quote, unquote Big Bang.

Jude Currivan: Okay, and I love the brouhaha. Is that a technical term?

Karen Curry Parker: It is very

Jude Currivan: I, I have a few of those as well. Yes, I did want to do this because we are taught at school. I was taught at school. I think we are all taught still at school that our universe began and we now, the best estimate we have is about 13.8 billion years ago in a big bang, and as you say, a bang implies randomness, chaos.

Whereas we know the Big Bang was neither big, we knew that I was just being facetious about that. It was time tiniest beginnings to our universe. But it’s the bang aspect of it that I really wanted to help folks see it in a different way because we know that our universe, that very first moment when space and time began was incredibly ordered.

It was immensely hot, but incredibly ordered and exquisite. Fine tune. I mean, there was an estimate done a few years ago that if basic constants that are embedded in the laws of physics were different by the extent of something like one part in a thousand trillion trillion. Now that’s fine tuning. As far as my views concerned.

We would not be here. Our universe could have hardly got started before it splattered to a holt. So I wanted to change this idea of a chaotic, as you said, random things moving all over the place to this immensely ordered and fine tuned beginning. So instead of a big bang, to see it as the first moment of an ongoing big breath.

And that too reverts back to ancient wisdom where in ancient India. There was this perspective that our universe began and continues as the out breath of Brahman, the creator God. So what we are now realizing cosmologically is far closer to that millennial old wisdom teaching than this idea of a chaotic big breath.

Karen Curry Parker: So I wanna unpack that for just a minute because I actually have a, a memory of being 12 and watching. A movie made by David Walker about the human body. And there was a scene in this movie that said if it wasn’t for split second timing, man would not be able to walk. And I always thought, you know how fascinating that all these parts of our human story, we assume are sort of this evolutionary conglomerate of Perfection. I mean, it’s perfection really. It’s perfection the way we operate and the way the world is organized and the idea that it is a random event, a random experience really robs us of sovereignty over the experience. I, you know, go, go ahead.

Jude Currivan: I was completely agreeing with you, and please do finish and then I, I can perhaps respond as to why categorically our universe exists meaningfully and evolves purposefully where it is not driven by random events and mutations.

Karen Curry Parker: Just take it away. Go for it. Because that, that’s, I was sort of trying to, I’m trying to put all these big ideas because the way you speak about this and the way you share it, and again, sometimes when you have a paradigm shift, it takes a little bit for the language to drop in. And I am. Really sitting in the experience of having read through your book in the course of several hours, and my entire worldview is completely upside down now, so I, I need you to fix it for me.

Jude Currivan: No problem, and I’d hope that it was upside down before and now you are standing upright. Because now you’re standing up.

Karen Curry Parker: Yes, yes.

Jude Currivan: Now you’re standing upright on an underpinning of framing, which as you said earlier, the old paradigm of a meaningless, purposeless, random universe doesn’t give us any grounding. It doesn’t give us any meaning.

It doesn’t give us any enchantment. It doesn’t empower us, and this is all based on the best evidence we now have. So it’s not just some new ideas that happen to have happened. To align with ancient and universal wisdom teachings. This is the best science at the leading edge of scientific breakthroughs at every scale of existence and many, many different fields of research.

So yeah, to go back to this idea, what we’re finding, going back to this point of our universe, beginning in an incredibly ordered and fine tuned way. And ever since then, a space has expanded and time flowed forward. It’s been on a trajectory from simplicity to complexity, and what we’re understanding is that that’s because of the relationality of all of the laws of physics, which enable this.

They enable our universe to meaningfully exist and purposefully evolve to the extent that it embodies An evolutionary impulse to do so from its initial simplicity to ever greater levels of diversity and complexity, individuated self-awareness into people and planets and plants. So when we’ve moved through an already incredible journey of the first 9 billion years or so, from the initial hydrogen through generations of stars.

And eventually to galaxies where between the stars, there are clouds of interstellar dust and gas, and in them are all of the chemical elements that are being created in the bodies of stars and then released when those stars have died and exploded and all that elemental abundance moved into the interstellar medium, but then clustered with ice.

With water, which had then formed. And all the biological building blocks that would be able to ultimately be formed into even greater complexity on our planetary home. But we’re now talking about a time before our sun and our planetary system came into being, but in those interstellar dust clouds, which we’ve got some fantastic images of from the James Webb telescope now, and before that, theHubble.

They are the birthing places. They are the birthing places for planets and for biological organisms such as us, because all of the chemical elements are there. And again, the complexity is so guided intelligently as it has been from the very beginning of our universe. Those building blocks of us didn’t come together randomly.

They came together in ways that I write about in the story of Gaia. Marvelously. So they were already the forerunners of DNA and RNA and forerunners of the amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins, lipids, fats, sugars. We’ve actually been able to find them through their molecular signatures by looking out into these installed dust clouds, which I think is a wonderful thing of itself.

But then about five, five and a half billion years ago, a nearby star exploded as a supernova, and the shock waves from that star were perfect to shock part of that interstellar dust cloud to collapse to gravitationally collapse to form the basis of our planetary system. If those shockwaves had been any stronger, they would’ve destroyed that birthing place of our system. if they were weaker, they wouldn’t have caused the pressure for that collapse to happen. So they were ideal. And as a result, what became our sun and his revenue of planets began to form. And of course the third rock from the sun was our planetary home, Gaia, and there was so much water as well as all those prebiotic molecules in those dust clouds.

Our planet together with Mars and Venus all began their lives as water planets, but only ours, Gaia in what’s called the Goldilock zone sufficiently far from our sun and big enough to hold onto its water and not have it frozen or escape into space to remain as a home for even greater levels of complexity.

To then take the next step, and the whole story of biological complexity continued that incredibly intelligent, informationally guided and underpinned journey of ongoing emergence.

Karen Curry Parker: Again, I’m, I apologize to my listeners for feeling so tongue-tied cuz that’s not my norm. But I’m now just in complete awe of just from again, hearing and. The, the story that I’ve been so engaged in today, and as I read this story, I have to say, it reminded me of my dog and I, and the reason why it reminded me of my dog is I feel like my dog is very dialed in to cosmic mind, right?

He is so deeply attuned and aware to what’s needed next in the evolution of his own program, if you will, right?

Jude Currivan: I love it. I love it.

Karen Curry Parker: And, and I wonder at him a lot because his name is happy and I think he’s quite happy. And I think part of his happiness is that he’s not a human being, right? So he’s not grappling with cosmic mind in any given moment.

He’s not trying to figure out, is this my ancestral lineage that’s holding me back from the fulfillment of my evolutionary potential? You know, hey, it’s seven o’clock, I want my treat, right? So, And, and of course I think as you speak and I think about biology and orders and ecosystems and the intricate complexity of life on earth and the awesome beauty of how it all operates, you know, it almost feels like when I start to think about humans, and maybe because I read the news too much, the all kind of comes to a screeching halt when I think about.

Why can the dog be so elegantly simple and so deeply and profoundly, seemingly aligned with cosmic order? And we can’t even figure out how to host something on social media and be kind to each other. And I’m asking you this, not trying to be facetious, I’m really asking you this because obviously we’ve been looking at 13.8 billion years.

I don’t know if I really wanna take that much of a long view on my children and my grandchildren’s lives, but um, How do we take this idea that we live in this extraordinarily rich, meaningful, informed universe and apply it to, how do we shift our experience of reality in the moment? Let me just be clear.

I’m living in the middle of a small town in Wisconsin. I’m fine. I’m not running with my children in the Ukraine. So certainly I would say from that point of view, where Life is definitely feeling quite sharp and jagged and terrifying. How do we change or create from a different place?

Jude Currivan: Well, it’s. a fundemental question and I’ll do my best to try and give a response that helps rather than hinders. Well, first of all, we are inseparable. We’re inseparable from each other, from our planetary home, from the whole of our universe, and ultimately the cosmos. But the appearance of our universe, as we started with, does seem to be separate.

It does seem to be materialist and separate. And so we’ve bought into its illusion of separation. Rather than its deeper, fundamental wholeness. Yeah. And now we have the evidence, which, you know, spiritual traditions, universal wisdom teachings have always told us of unity in diversity and the wholeness of reality.

But as we’ve developed ourselves, as we’ve gone through our human journey, we have bought into that appearance of separation. Going back to what we’re saying earlier about, nothing in a way is by. I feel that’s part of our evolutionary arc because we are part, an innate part of a meaningful, purposefully evolving universe.

So we too have meaning and evolutionary purpose. So what is it? What is it about us that our individuated self-awareness has almost fallen into this amnesia of separation? because that’s what it is, and we’re now beginning to wake up and realize that it was a bad dream and that we are inseparable. And yet unity is not uniformity.

Unity is expressed in radical diversity. So why did we fall into it and how can we wake out of it? My sense is we fell into it because if you look back over the last 300 years and before that, I was writing today. About something called the Axial Age, which began about two and a half thousand years ago.

And that age was essentially an age of progressive individuation of each of us. Yeah. And that has been a continuous journey. So even where there’s been ostensibly spiritual or religious movements, they’ve spoken to the individuality. And the personality rather than the commonality and the commonality of us all in the main.

So we have been on this journey of progressive individuation. So as a result, we’ve learned an awful lot as individuals and as a species. But the downside has been that that separation instead of… I always tell this story because a friend of mine is Richard Olier, who is the son of Lawrence Olivier. Right.

Karen Curry Parker: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jude Currivan: So there are two types of actors. There are those sort of actors like Daniel Day Lewis, who’s known as a method actor, who gets absolutely immersed in the part. So even when the filming stopped, he’s still in the role. Yeah, and it’s almost that he’s forgotten who he really. In the role that he’s playing. And Laura Olivier was not a method actor. And there’s a story of a director going up to him and saying, Larry, darling, would you cry for me? And Laura said, how? How cry darling? Do you want my left eye, my right eye? Do you want a sob? Do you want a few trickles? And basically always knew that he was an actor playing a part.

And I think as human beings, we’ve had such an incredible immersion. In the appearance of separation, we’ve forgotten who we really are. So we’ve become method actors and find it very difficult to take off that role, take off the costume, and realize that we’re all part, we’re all divine beings, microcosms of this wondrous universe.

And that’s brought us a long way. It’s brought us a long way in terms of that individuation. That incredible levels of diversity, all that’s come from that, but it’s had a massive downside and that massive downside is that we’ve come to have a dis-ease of separation and that dis-ease of fragmentation. A worldview of separation drives a world of suffering.

Inequality justices conflict. So that’s how I think we’ve got there. And I’m not blaming anyone I think, but if we realize that we hold a lot of collective trauma because of this, rather than blame others and continue that division and that other-ing and that blaming as we wake up to remember to realize and we now have the evidence.

Wholeness. Unity isn’t an ideal. It is real that this is our existential reality. As I share the evidence for in the books, and they’re not just my ideas. As I added up, there’s at least 10,000 researchers whose work is quoted in the book now have the blooms and we now therefore have the opportunity to choose.

Do we choose to stay in that illusion of separation? Or with the evidence and a unitive narrative. Cause we’ve always told stories. We’ve always told narratives about who we think we are and our place in the world and what that means. We now have an ability to write and live a new and unitive narrative based on all of this.

And so this is our moment of choice that if enough of us, when we hear this evidence, when our friends invite us, cuz this can’t be positional, but even in this turbulence, the turbulence is the froth of the appearance of separation. It’s like being on an ocean and being on a choppy ocean and all that froth on top of all the waves.

That is the appearance and the dislocation and the conflicts. If we just go beneath the surface, To realize we are droplets of this great ocean, and together we can literally come together to wake up, to remember we’re inseparable, and then we can step into what I believe because the evolutionary impulse of the entire universe is working through us, that we can actually become Gaia, our planetary homes co-evolutionary partner.

Rather than her very naughty children.

Karen Curry Parker: Well, you said a couple of things that I just wanna pull out because I think they’re so important. You said Unity is not uniformity. And I think that’s a big fear that people have. That if we’re all one, then we’re going to be, I think to quote Star Trek, the next generation, we’re gonna be absorbed into the board.

Right? Blah. Right. And and I, you know what? I think we have to remember that literally the composition of the cosmos is what it is today because of each and every one of us. And not because of all, and also because of all of us. If you aren’t holding your unique and vital and irreplaceable role, then literally the nature of the world changes.

And people I think, feel quite powerless about recognizing, or maybe they’re conditioned away from recognizing their unique importance, their unity, the expression of their unity that comes from being the full, unique expression of who they were created to. And I love that you say we have choice because I think that’s another piece that I feel like people are afraid of, that if I surrender, if you will, surrender is kind of a hard word, but if I let cosmic mind work through me too, its fullest capacity, i.e surrender, then I’m not gonna have a choice, right?

I will no longer be autonomous over my own. And I’ll have to do terrible things that involve martyrdom. Oftentimes. I think that’s part B of that story. I think recognizing that the power to choose comes from that alignment with being part of the whole and recognizing that you don’t disappear in that hole is very, A very beautiful thought.

We talk a lot about these thoughts in the personal growth and development field. We codify it, we make it simple. We have little sentences like your thoughts create your reality, and all these kinds of things that we’ve been saying. Certainly since the evolution of personal growth and development materials hand in hand with quantum physics in the late 18 hundreds and the early 19 hundreds with the new thought movement and…

I think it’s become so rote that we’ve lost connection with the awe of what that actually really means and our role in it. And I certainly will say for any of you, this book, the Story of Gaia, will certainly reawaken that awe and help you see. Your place in the cosmos. And I have to just say, cuz I was struck as I was reading this.

I’m a big fan of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy and in one of the follow up books, there’s a character called Zeph Rod beeble Brox who gets punished and is forced to look into the total perspective vortex. Which normally drives most people insane. They see their place in the cosmos, and it’s so tiny and infinitesimal that they go crazy, right?

And he looks in there and he comes out and he says, that was cool, right? I feel like the story of Gaia is the total perspective vortex. So go read it and you’ll come out not crazy, but thinking, wow, that’s cool. And not in a slight way, but in that way that is breathtaking. Oh my gosh. We’re really part of something quite complex and intricate and quite deliberate.

I just wanna thank you so much for taking the time and putting the energy and the love into writing the story of Gaia.

Jude Currivan: Thank you, Karen. I’m saying now the story of Gaia wrote me. I really felt that and feel that I really do. And just what you’re saying about folks that are reading it, the very, very. Earliest readers have felt that the book reads them in a way. And there is this invitation, the book is inviting them. The story of Gaia is inviting them to take their rightful place as microcosmic co-creators of our universe’s wondrous existence and marvelous evolutionary impulse and potential.

And it is empowering and I agree with you. I think last few years I’ve been very noticing that people. Do misunderstand unity for uniformity, and it’s the exact opposite. It’s that realization of everyone’s uniqueness. And when you step into that, as you say, that empowerment and that authenticity enables you and invites you and calls you to align with that evolutionary flow and it’s the most incredible adventure.

Karen Curry Parker: Well said, well said. So if you want to learn more about Dr. Jude Currivan’s event’s work, you can also visit. Whole world hyphen I’m gonna spell that out because it’s a little bit complex because it’s evolutionary, right? it’s whole W H O L E World. Whole world hyphen view. Dot org ( and we’ll post the link to your webpage.

Also in the show notes, again, Dr. Jude Currivan’s new book, the Story of Gaia is released and out for you to read. If you do choose to read it, I mean not, you will choose to read it. I encourage you to read it. If you are going to read it, plan ahead, take some time to really give yourself the gift of sitting with the contemplations and the richness of the unveiling of the perfection and the evolutionary magnitude of the world. You have, I think, the privilege of living in. So thank you so much for joining us today, Dr. Currivan. It’s been an honor to hear you and to listen to you and to learn from you, and I appreciate all that you’ve created with your beautiful story of Gaia.

Jude Currivan: Thank you Karen. Thank you so much. And you know I love your dog.

Karen Curry Parker: Me too.

We have seen over and over again in our Quantum Revolution conversations that our expanded understanding of how the world actually works is hampered by outdated materialistic beliefs rooted in the misinterpretations of the work of Charles Darwin and other materialists if the universe is not driven by random occurrences and mutations, and is instead highly organized and intelligently informed by meaningful information flows and process.

Constructing a worldview rooted in powerlessness and lack of control or choice doesn’t make sense if we are deliberate, not accidental, once in a lifetime. Cosmic events, or as Dr. Currivan writes in her book, the Story of Gaia, a result of a great thought of cosmic mind manifesting is a cosmic hologram of meaningful information that exists to evolve.

Then our role as humans is to embody a collaborative, co-evolutionary partnership on a planetary level, a collaborative partnership that has the power to support greater complexity, more meaning, and that truly represents the beauty and grace that is the fulfillment of the true story of humanity. Our evolution is an integral part of Gaia’s own evolutionary process and purpose.

By perceiving and experiencing our planet as a sentient being, and ourselves as Gaians, we open ourselves to a deeply ecological, evolutionary, and above all hopeful worldview. Dr. Jude Currivan’s book, the Story of Gaia is available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and many other online bookstores. You can learn more about Dr. Currivan on her website, If you’d like to learn how you can take back control over the story you tell about who you are, and remember your unique, vital, and irreplaceable role in the Cosmic Plan, please also visit I’m Karen Curry Parker. Thank you for joining me for Quantum Revolution.

It’s an honor to co-evolve with you.

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